WeedaPeople (October 10, 2008 at 1:58 pm)

nist:"I guess I AM a doof!"Okay... I have no argument there. We totally agree 100%.

WeedaPeople (October 10, 2008 at 1:57 pm)

nist:"they add to the cost in a negligible way"Negligible? Do you know that top executive employees are dedicated solely to oversee those programs, and high level managers are dedicated to manage fleets of dedicated employees to keep those programs going? People who's only job is to design, implement, and maintain those bureaucractic programs that add levels of waste and cost to the system? Do you understand the fiscal impact of the salaries alone?Apparently not.

WeedaPeople (October 10, 2008 at 1:52 pm)

nist:"how old do I gotta be?"I do not think age is going to fix your ignorance. Only school would do that, but you stike me as someone who expects knowledge to come to you, and you have no reason to exert any effort. It is not YOUR reponsibility to aquire knowledge, knowledge has to aquire you.

WeedaPeople (October 10, 2008 at 1:50 pm)

nist:"What if the kid doesn't have parents who can afford it?"Why do people have children when they can not afford to support them? It is not about finger pointing, it is about personal responsibility. Do not have kids if you can not take care of them, and then expect the rest of society to take on your responsibility.

sinistar99 (October 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm)

That makes you an expert then. The rest of us who have lived a lot longer don't know anything...right?Haha Geez I'm 39 how old do I gotta be? Get offa my lawn you kids!It's been nice arguing with you. Jefferson said "I never yet saw an instance of one of two disputants convincing the other by argument..."Hopefully we'll see soon enough if a new health care system works or not because for too many, this one doesn't. Take care.

sinistar99 (October 9, 2008 at 9:25 pm)

"Disabled people need help, because they often do not have parents to help them anymore. Kids are their parents responsibility, not societies."What if the kid doesn't have parents who can afford it? Just EXACTLY like the disabled adult, they through no fault of their own need help. If they need medication to live, you'd just let them die? And you call anybody "Heartless?" If the kids need medicine, It doesn't matter much at whom you point your finger and say "they're responsible."

sinistar99 (October 9, 2008 at 9:01 pm)

"Do you know what QMS is? SMS? ISO? EEO?"My wife has been an accountant for several state agencies for years.Those are quality management and employment standards that apply to all government agencies and for a single institution, they add to the cost in a negligible way. It doesn't bring it up to no 15-30%. No way no how. You could double the overhead and it still isn't dollar-for-dollar half what the for-profit system is taking out of our pockets. Really good try though.

WeedaPeople (October 8, 2008 at 9:18 pm)

nist:"I guess I AM a doof!"Okay... I have no argument there. We totally agree 100%.

WeedaPeople (October 8, 2008 at 9:17 pm)

nist:"You know anybody who has his OWN UNIQUE health insurance company?"No. I never said I did. I guess you find humor in things you do not understand. Personally, I do not think any of this is humorous.

WeedaPeople (October 8, 2008 at 9:15 pm)

nist:"Those magical mystical "hidden costs" no one but you sees"Other people see them...just not you...because you do not have any idea what to look for.Do you know what QMS is? SMS? ISO? EEO? Do you know how things like that impact the costs of programs in the Federal Government?Each layer of bureaucrisy adds to the cost, but that does not show up on balance sheets, because Government accounting is not like real accounting. But how would you know that?