springretard (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

They've actually been around since the mid ninties - crossed over various record labels during that time, both major & independant, and even done some self-releases.They definately have pop overtones but that doesnt neccessarily mean theyre a manufactured band =]

tommytonebender (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ah well, that's the music industry for you.Likewise. It's pleasant rarity to find someone willing to argue intelligently here.

gongabush (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

When I say it's not music, I refer to the fact it comes across as a well-oiled marketing product than as a creative expression. Regardless of what I think, I have to thank you for your intelligent comments, which I have to say, are few and far between on YouTube. It's nice to have a decent conversation with someone, instead of insulting the hell out of each other. Refreshing indeed...

tommytonebender (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This is most definately music. There are some songs that others like that I personally can't stand, but that doesn't make it NOT music.I do hear the pop in this song, but I also hear a lot of rock. Can we agree on Pop Rock, then?

gongabush (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Come on man, this isn't rock! What's rock about this? This is well polished (and irritating) pop music... Yes, I like metal and grunge but above all I like music. I listen to a hell of a lot of jazz too but this is just... nothing. Irritating nothing...

tommytonebender (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

There's many sub-genres of rock, you know. By the bands you mentioned you seem to enjoy alternative, grunge and metal. This is rock music too, just part of a different sub-genre

tommytonebender (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm sad I can't find this on iTunes. :(

grattman23 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

un groupe de fille, sa gère!! =)

gongabush (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Criolay, you want some rock music? Try Black Label Society, Down, Alice in Chains, Temple of the Dog. But please don't tell me this is good music. It's painful. But yeah.. I get your point... "Good music" is subjective...

gongabush (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It is my opinion. Sorry but I don't suffer bands that pretend to be rock music, when it fact it's just polished pop music and a band clearly put together by savvy music executives. Where's the talent there? They worked hard you say? How hard I wonder? How long have they been together? How many albums have they produced to get there? I guarantee you they won't be around in another five years, if that and no one will remember Sahara hotnights.